From hheffner at mtaonline.net Mon Mar 8 14:44:41 2010 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 10:44:41 -0900 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <45132.17981.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <45132.17981.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9FEFFB4A-40BD-4590-866C-CE1D827B8490@mtaonline.net> I've been working on my microscope capabilities to get close to the resolution needed to see the squiddies. Based on the scales shown here: http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/nick7.htm I think I can image them OK at 100x - but obviously not as well as with an electron microscope. One problem may be depth of field. There is software that can overcome this by combining images at various focal planes, but I don't have it. Here is a 100x 3.1 MB image of fine grooves in copper, with a small chunk of resin in one of the grooves: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rosin_in_copper_groove_100x.jpg One nice feature of my setup is that colors can be seen, if present. It is difficult to go above 100x for opaque subjects due to lighting difficulties and the short focal length and depth of field for my objective lens. Here is a 400x photo of a polished thin section using transmitted light: http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RockPhotos/PDF1a_400x%20copy.jpg I think it shows a planar deformation feature (PDF) characteristic of intense shock. It looks like crystal planes can bee seen in some of the white crystals. The crystal faces can be seen on the white crystal at the top right. I have a 1000x photo which shows the 1 micron grooves in a diffraction grating. The following is a summary of my calibration efforts: Camera, Power, Microns/Pixel, Pixels/Micron Nikon, 40x, 0.490, 2.04 Nikon, 100x, 0.1967, 5.084 Nikon, 400x, 0.0492, 20.33 Nikon, 1000x, 0.01967, 50.8 MD400, 40x, 3.37, 0.297 MD400, 100x, 1.377, 0.726 MD400, 400x, 0.337, 2.97 Digital Blue, 10x, 27.28, 0.0367 Digital Blue, 60x, 4.339 ,0.230 Digital Blue, 200x, 1.446, 0.691 Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From jonesb9 at pacbell.net Mon Mar 8 15:31:47 2010 From: jonesb9 at pacbell.net (Jones Beene) Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2010 12:31:47 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <9FEFFB4A-40BD-4590-866C-CE1D827B8490@mtaonline.net> References: <45132.17981.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <9FEFFB4A-40BD-4590-866C-CE1D827B8490@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <01d401cabefe$5fdc1570$1f944050$@net> Speaking of surprising aluminum foil experiments ... Here is a rather robust homemade battery which can be made from lampblack + foil: http://www.youtube.com/user/overunitydotcom#p/u/0/IQQ6g6b7zlY From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Tue Mar 9 17:01:10 2010 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2010 14:01:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <9FEFFB4A-40BD-4590-866C-CE1D827B8490@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <772945.13723.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Horace, Wow, you have been pimpin' the scope! I have no doubt you would see some of the squid forms - my challenge is to find some suitable to send to you! I hadn't worked on that much this past week, but will try to get something to send by week's end. The anemonie or squid forms as best I can tell with my little optical positioning scope, are glassy and clear. They may even have a fairly high refractive index, so who knows, maybe some polarized light effects would be possible. The squid clusters tended to be between 50 and 200 microns across, and the tendrils would extend out to that much at least. So they weren't by any means "nano!" I just have to find some!!! Thanks for sharing your capability and getting things rounded up on your end! nr > I've been working on my microscope > capabilities to get close to the resolution needed to see > the squiddies.? Based on the scales shown here: > > http://www.kpnconsulting.com/newcandle/download/nick7.htm > > I think I can image them OK at 100x - but obviously not as > well as with an electron microscope.? One problem may > be depth of field.? There is software that can overcome > this by combining images at various focal planes, but I > don't have it. > > Here is a 100x 3.1 MB image of fine grooves in copper, with > a small chunk of resin in one of the grooves: > > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/Rosin_in_copper_groove_100x.jpg > > One nice feature of my setup is that colors can be seen, if > present. > > It is difficult to go above 100x for opaque subjects due to > lighting difficulties and the short focal length and depth > of field for my objective lens. Here is a 400x photo of a > polished thin section using transmitted light: > > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/RockPhotos/PDF1a_400x%20copy.jpg > > I think it shows a planar deformation feature (PDF) > characteristic of intense shock. It looks like crystal > planes can bee seen in some of the white crystals.? The > crystal faces can be seen on the white crystal at the top > right. > > I have a 1000x photo which shows the 1 micron grooves in a > diffraction grating. > > The following is a summary of my calibration efforts: > > Camera, Power, Microns/Pixel, Pixels/Micron > > Nikon, 40x, 0.490, 2.04 > Nikon, 100x, 0.1967, 5.084 > Nikon, 400x, 0.0492, 20.33 > Nikon, 1000x, 0.01967, 50.8 > > MD400, 40x, 3.37, 0.297 > MD400, 100x, 1.377, 0.726 > MD400, 400x, 0.337, 2.97 > > Digital Blue, 10x, 27.28, 0.0367 > Digital Blue, 60x, 4.339? ,0.230 > Digital Blue, 200x, 1.446, 0.691 > > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com > From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Tue Mar 16 12:50:14 2010 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 09:50:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <772945.13723.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <794180.4206.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi all, A couple of interesting and possibly telling results from over the last week or so... Essentially tried three experiments. Some time ago, Sam Faile had suggested setting up the Geiger counter aimed at the bank or cluster of foil rolls, and then adding liquid nitrogen to the bucket. Once the aluminum had chilled to roughly LN temp, there should be a capillary movement through the turn-cavities of the rolls. Would this produce any deviations of background count, as read by the GM tube? Last Wednesday, I finally tried this out. I did log what looked like a rise from background (~30cpm) to a relatively stable higher reading of about 60cpm, that kicked in about the time the LN began to "wick" to the rolls, and lasted until the boil-off had dropped the level fairly low in the bucket. I had a piece of foam insulation to try to keep the GM tube from getting too chilled by the cascading vapors. Possibly a hint that some absorption or emission of "something" that a GM tube responds to is taking place when a liquid medium flows into a conductive cavity? Probably the most telling result in a general way was when I set up a distilled water bucket-roll run... but used rolls of the non-stick teflon coated foil now available. This material has its coating on the "dull" side of the foil. The shiny side is apparently bare (from what my Fluke meter said. What would happen in the classical configuration if only one side of a turn-cavity was conductive, and the other was dielectric coated? In the standard foil roll test with distilled water, we got the beginning of gas evolution at about 5 days, rapidly accelerating to a hydrolyzing corroding fury. With the coated foil - nothing. It's been close to 10 days, and no sign of any hydrolysis. Just a few outgassing bubbles clinging to the foil sides or plastic bucket walls. This is a key observation, I believe. It says the process/effect I've been working with now for the past year and a half is dependent on two conductive faces in the turns. The last experiment was a bucket run using distilled water with about .2% H2O2 added. In this case, we used regular foil rolls. As opposed to the ~5 day "catalyzing" time needed for straight distilled water, the bubbling began in less than 12 hours, reached a fairly aggressive peak in about 36 hours, and then rapidly burned itself out, only hydrolyzing about a half liter of the water. Somewhat of a dud... but an informative one. Horace - still haven't forgotten about samples for microscopy... will get them sent to you hopefully sooner than later. Best regards, n From jonesb9 at pacbell.net Tue Mar 16 14:00:52 2010 From: jonesb9 at pacbell.net (Jones Beene) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:00:52 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <794180.4206.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <772945.13723.qm@web65409.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <794180.4206.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002301cac532$9e1344a0$da39cde0$@net> Nick, Not sure where you are going with this, but here is a suggestion that comes to mind - given that you have tried many things, but there are a few nuances left - which could lead to a discovery. Especially with the coated rolls. Two of the Teflon coated rolls - if they were to be rewound on a mandrel into one single interleaved "jelly roll" with a slight offset on either end for polarity enhancement - would be a makeshift capacitor of sorts, no? This opens up a number of possibilities for the hybrid kind of electrochemical situation that was first seen in the "Grove cell" - which is a single device that can be a battery, a fuel cell, or an electrolysis cell - depending on what seems like very minor details. One option would be to use the 'jelly roll' to demonstrate the effects of a "fair weather field" - the slight negative field of the atmosphere, where there are always said to be a few free electrons. IOW - a testable assumption would be - putting one end of the jelly roll in an acid solution, with the other exposed to air, and this should make the reaction more active than when done with a base of the same relative strength, if the fair weather field is supplying free electrons. At least that would be an assumption that could be shot down, or bolstered, and free electrons might explain some of the other weirdness. Jones From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Tue Mar 16 14:51:09 2010 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:51:09 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <794180.4206.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hi Nick, Thanks for the update. I like the foil/teflon experiment. Very interesting. It wasn't clear to me which side of the foil was exposed, the outward facing side or the inner side. But you might try half a roll wound in the one sense, and compare to the other half wound opposite. One thing the dielectric will do is prevent electron flow across turns from foil/foil mechanical contact. Jones suggestion of a foil/dielectric/foil roll structure would force electron currents across the foil rather than through it, and I think for that reason would be instructive to try. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:50 AM To: New energy for the new world. Subject: Re: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February Hi all, A couple of interesting and possibly telling results from over the last week or so... Essentially tried three experiments. Some time ago, Sam Faile had suggested setting up the Geiger counter aimed at the bank or cluster of foil rolls, and then adding liquid nitrogen to the bucket. Once the aluminum had chilled to roughly LN temp, there should be a capillary movement through the turn-cavities of the rolls. Would this produce any deviations of background count, as read by the GM tube? Last Wednesday, I finally tried this out. I did log what looked like a rise from background (~30cpm) to a relatively stable higher reading of about 60cpm, that kicked in about the time the LN began to "wick" to the rolls, and lasted until the boil-off had dropped the level fairly low in the bucket. I had a piece of foam insulation to try to keep the GM tube from getting too chilled by the cascading vapors. Possibly a hint that some absorption or emission of "something" that a GM tube responds to is taking place when a liquid medium flows into a conductive cavity? Probably the most telling result in a general way was when I set up a distilled water bucket-roll run... but used rolls of the non-stick teflon coated foil now available. This material has its coating on the "dull" side of the foil. The shiny side is apparently bare (from what my Fluke meter said. What would happen in the classical configuration if only one side of a turn-cavity was conductive, and the other was dielectric coated? In the standard foil roll test with distilled water, we got the beginning of gas evolution at about 5 days, rapidly accelerating to a hydrolyzing corroding fury. With the coated foil - nothing. It's been close to 10 days, and no sign of any hydrolysis. Just a few outgassing bubbles clinging to the foil sides or plastic bucket walls. This is a key observation, I believe. It says the process/effect I've been working with now for the past year and a half is dependent on two conductive faces in the turns. The last experiment was a bucket run using distilled water with about .2% H2O2 added. In this case, we used regular foil rolls. As opposed to the ~5 day "catalyzing" time needed for straight distilled water, the bubbling began in less than 12 hours, reached a fairly aggressive peak in about 36 hours, and then rapidly burned itself out, only hydrolyzing about a half liter of the water. Somewhat of a dud... but an informative one. Horace - still haven't forgotten about samples for microscopy... will get them sent to you hopefully sooner than later. Best regards, n _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From hheffner at mtaonline.net Tue Mar 16 15:05:17 2010 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2010 11:05:17 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <794180.4206.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <794180.4206.qm@web65407.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mar 16, 2010, at 8:50 AM, Nick Reiter wrote: > Horace - still haven't forgotten about samples for microscopy... > will get them sent to you hopefully sooner than later. > > Best regards, > > n No worries, no hurries. I just want to be a help, not a burden. Neat stuff you are doing. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Fri Mar 19 17:28:54 2010 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2010 14:28:54 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hey Nick, You write: >This is a key observation, I >believe. It says the process/effect I've been working with now for the past >year and a half is dependent on two conductive faces in the turns. This gets at the issue of exactly where the corrosion currents are flowing. The lowest resistance path is directly through the foil. One of the rate limiting elements in this reaction is the electrical resistance of the metal and its geometry. A cell where the corrosion currents are forced across the surface of a foil will result in a much slower reaction than one where the currents flow directly through the foil. Now that I have a backyard, I can actually try some of these experiments safely. I'll buy some foil in the next few days and try a few of your basic experiments. I should also buy a rad detector. Anyone have any suggestions? K. From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 10:28:12 2010 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Keith, Glad you have some "backyard" seasonal lab space - its a big plus in dealing with this sort of thing! Here is a short "at a glance" list of needs and thoughts: 1. Cheapest 200 foot rolls of foil I have found are Kroger brand. Three of these, per bucket run, will cost you about $20. 2. I use a band saw to cut the rolls in half, thus ending up with 6 short rolls (200feet x 6 inches). I traditionally place these in the bucket sawed end down. 3. The bucket I use that seems as cheap, durable, and nonreactive as can be is a white polypropylene 7.5 or 10 quart wastebasket. 4. With 6 rolls upright in a bucket, I use about 5 liters of solution which is enough to cover the rolls usually to about 1 onch past the top surfaces. 5. The Geiger counter I use is pretty crude - its one of the old yellow portable CD counters. The changes that seem to show up are down on the x1 scale, in CPM... Generally most all within 1 to 2 times background sort of thing. I'm sure you could find a better one. I'm looking forward to hearing tales of gaseous fun! N > This gets at the issue of exactly where the corrosion > currents are flowing. > The lowest resistance path is directly through the foil. > One of the > rate limiting elements in this reaction is the electrical > resistance > of the metal and its geometry. A cell where the corrosion > currents are > forced across > the surface of a foil will result in a much slower reaction > than one > where the currents flow directly through the foil. > > Now that I have a backyard, I can actually try some of > these experiments > safely. > I'll buy some foil in the next few days and try a few of > your basic > experiments. I should also buy a rad detector. Anyone have > any suggestions? > > K. > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com > From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sat Mar 20 10:31:59 2010 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 07:31:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] foil microscopy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <778462.89141.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Good morning Horace, Hey, could you re-send me your mailing address, off-list if you like? I have a boxed set of foil samples, mounted on double sided tape, from 4 different recent hydrolysis runs. I am still though, searching through old rolls and SEM stubs for a good anemonie sample. If worse comes to worse, and I can't find any of them I got the SEM shots of, I will set up a replication to make some more! (and send what I do have in the meantime) Thanks much, n > > Horace - still haven't forgotten about samples for > microscopy... will get them sent to you hopefully sooner > than later. > > > > Best regards, > > > > n > > No worries, no hurries.? I just want to be a help, not > a burden. > > Neat stuff you are doing. > > Best regards, > > Horace Heffner > http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > NewCandle mailing list > NewCandle at ipdiscover.com > http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com > From jonesb9 at pacbell.net Sat Mar 20 11:03:19 2010 From: jonesb9 at pacbell.net (Jones Beene) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:03:19 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <003901cac83e$7a48cf40$6eda6dc0$@net> K, Here is a GM rad monitor that can (must) be hooked up to a PC. Doubt you will find anything close in price/performance. http://cgi.ebay.com/GM-45-Geiger-Counter-Radiation-Detector-BlackCatSystems_ W0QQitemZ350328008373QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Security_Fire_Protection?hash=ite m51912d2eb5 The datalogging software is free on the BlackCat site, where the box is 4 times more - but you will need to add a real serial adaptor to the three wire thing that is on there now. These work quite well, but can pick up spurious HF RF from unshielded sources. Jones From hheffner at mtaonline.net Sat Mar 20 12:07:05 2010 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:07:05 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2D2F398A-0834-4FD4-9783-6551A7F0DCB5@mtaonline.net> Say, I have one of those old CD counters too. I haven't used it in years because it uses a lot more batteries than my little 9V battery powered prospector's model. Also, it is "lost" somewhere in the junk in my crawl space. I have often though about building a power supply for it, and a digital counter with computer interface though. Does yours have the wand with the little cylindrical metal cover that rotates to open the counting window? If so, I suspect, but unfortunately don't know for sure, that the window is silver and when it is closed the device is a neutron counter. I think about this on occasion but then the thought just evaporates for another year or so ... BTW, there is too much snow here to be doing the experiment outside, or I might be tempted. We don't have Kroger here, but we have Fred Meyer, which is owned by Kroger and sells some Kroger brands. On Mar 20, 2010, at 6:28 AM, Nick Reiter wrote: > Hi Keith, > > Glad you have some "backyard" seasonal lab space - its a big plus > in dealing with this sort of thing! > > Here is a short "at a glance" list of needs and thoughts: > > 1. Cheapest 200 foot rolls of foil I have found are Kroger brand. > Three of these, per bucket run, will cost you about $20. > > 2. I use a band saw to cut the rolls in half, thus ending up with > 6 short rolls (200feet x 6 inches). I traditionally place these in > the bucket sawed end down. > > 3. The bucket I use that seems as cheap, durable, and nonreactive > as can be is a white polypropylene 7.5 or 10 quart wastebasket. > > 4. With 6 rolls upright in a bucket, I use about 5 liters of > solution which is enough to cover the rolls usually to about 1 onch > past the top surfaces. > > 5. The Geiger counter I use is pretty crude - its one of the old > yellow portable CD counters. The changes that seem to show up are > down on the x1 scale, in CPM... Generally most all within 1 to 2 > times background sort of thing. I'm sure you could find a better one. > > I'm looking forward to hearing tales of gaseous fun! > > N > >> This gets at the issue of exactly where the corrosion >> currents are flowing. >> The lowest resistance path is directly through the foil. >> One of the >> rate limiting elements in this reaction is the electrical >> resistance >> of the metal and its geometry. A cell where the corrosion >> currents are >> forced across >> the surface of a foil will result in a much slower reaction >> than one >> where the currents flow directly through the foil. >> >> Now that I have a backyard, I can actually try some of >> these experiments >> safely. >> I'll buy some foil in the next few days and try a few of >> your basic >> experiments. I should also buy a rad detector. Anyone have >> any suggestions? >> >> K. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From hheffner at mtaonline.net Sat Mar 20 12:10:34 2010 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 08:10:34 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <003901cac83e$7a48cf40$6eda6dc0$@net> References: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <003901cac83e$7a48cf40$6eda6dc0$@net> Message-ID: On Mar 20, 2010, at 7:03 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > K, > > Here is a GM rad monitor that can (must) be hooked up to a PC. > Doubt you > will find anything close in price/performance. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/GM-45-Geiger-Counter-Radiation-Detector- > BlackCatSystems_ > W0QQitemZ350328008373QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Security_Fire_Protection? > hash=ite > m51912d2eb5 > > The datalogging software is free on the BlackCat site, where the > box is 4 > times more - but you will need to add a real serial adaptor to the > three > wire thing that is on there now. Have you done this? Did you buy one? I see there has only been one sold. > > These work quite well, but can pick up spurious HF RF from unshielded > sources. > > Jones Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From jonesb9 at pacbell.net Sat Mar 20 12:52:05 2010 From: jonesb9 at pacbell.net (Jones Beene) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:52:05 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: References: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <003901cac83e$7a48cf40$6eda6dc0$@net> Message-ID: <003d01cac84d$abfcaa20$03f5fe60$@net> Horace, > Have you done this? Did you buy one? I see there has only been one sold. That would be "one sold recently", as these must have been showing up there for months. An associate bought one last year. I have a similar BlackCat unit but it came with USB and cost much more. The lack of a guarantee is the big issue - and the need to add a serial port. In checking just now - there is a device being sold on eBay called the "DRSB-01" from Ukraine (given Chernobyl - who would have more incentive to make them?) and there is a review that looks good, http://www.mentalsocket.com/reviews/kvartsdrsb01/index.html but with this one, you will have to wait probably weeks for shipment from there - and the price has gone up a little but it is still a bargain. However it probably makes more sense, if you are not in a hurry but on a budget http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=DRSB-01+&_sacat=0&_dmpt=BI_Security_Fire_Pr otection&_odkw=&_osacat=53154&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 Jones From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Sat Mar 20 13:20:53 2010 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:20:53 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <003901cac83e$7a48cf40$6eda6dc0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Jones, I wonder if the Black Cat unit was one I purchased in the early 90's for a research firm. It also had the serial port with USB addon, and used a DOS based software that for a price could be upgrade to the then new windows software. It was a nice unit. Does anyone remember/know what I am talking about? I wish I could recall the name... Thanks for the tips, Nick! I'll probably get over to Freddies ( yep, we got them here as well Horace ) and score some rolls. The backyard is beckoning now; I've been glued to this chair all week working on a software release due end of march. Now time for a little R&R pruning back a recalcitrant apple tree to get sun onto a newly cleared tomato bed. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Jones Beene Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 8:03 AM To: 'New energy for the new world.' Subject: Re: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February K, Here is a GM rad monitor that can (must) be hooked up to a PC. Doubt you will find anything close in price/performance. http://cgi.ebay.com/GM-45-Geiger-Counter-Radiation-Detector-BlackCatSystems_ W0QQitemZ350328008373QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Security_Fire_Protection?hash=ite m51912d2eb5 The datalogging software is free on the BlackCat site, where the box is 4 times more - but you will need to add a real serial adaptor to the three wire thing that is on there now. These work quite well, but can pick up spurious HF RF from unshielded sources. Jones _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From hheffner at mtaonline.net Sat Mar 20 13:09:53 2010 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 09:09:53 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <003d01cac84d$abfcaa20$03f5fe60$@net> References: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <003901cac83e$7a48cf40$6eda6dc0$@net> <003d01cac84d$abfcaa20$03f5fe60$@net> Message-ID: <6B83C452-0560-46E4-919C-1EBFA2C751EB@mtaonline.net> On Mar 20, 2010, at 8:52 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > Horace, > >> Have you done this? Did you buy one? I see there has only been >> one sold. > > That would be "one sold recently", as these must have been showing > up there > for months. An associate bought one last year. I have a similar > BlackCat > unit but it came with USB and cost much more. > > The lack of a guarantee is the big issue - and the need to add a > serial > port. > > In checking just now - there is a device being sold on eBay called the > "DRSB-01" from Ukraine (given Chernobyl - who would have more > incentive to > make them?) and there is a review that looks good, > > http://www.mentalsocket.com/reviews/kvartsdrsb01/index.html > > but with this one, you will have to wait probably weeks for > shipment from > there - and the price has gone up a little but it is still a bargain. > > However it probably makes more sense, if you are not in a hurry but > on a > budget > > http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=DRSB-01 > +&_sacat=0&_dmpt=BI_Security_Fire_Pr > otection&_odkw=&_osacat=53154&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 > > > Jones It may be worth $200 to buy from BlackCat Systems directly. http://www.blackcatsystems.com/GM/GeigerCounters.html Consider Shysicey's Auction "Policies" statement! 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Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From jonesb9 at pacbell.net Sat Mar 20 13:25:42 2010 From: jonesb9 at pacbell.net (Jones Beene) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 10:25:42 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <6B83C452-0560-46E4-919C-1EBFA2C751EB@mtaonline.net> References: <288596.75651.qm@web65416.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <003901cac83e$7a48cf40$6eda6dc0$@net> <003d01cac84d$abfcaa20$03f5fe60$@net> <6B83C452-0560-46E4-919C-1EBFA2C751EB@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <004101cac852$5e525d10$1af71730$@net> Horace, > It may be worth $200 to buy from BlackCat Systems directly. http://www.blackcatsystems.com/GM/GeigerCounters.html Consider Shysicey's Auction "Policies" statement! [snip] Yes! that is what I was talking about - risky, but I know of one she sold that did work as claimed, which means nothing statistically. The Russian one is risky too but less so - and it seems to be worth the risk, given the review and the savings. The review seems independent; and the perfect "seller rating" is important but both have good ratings. This rating is the most important thing to look for when dealing on eBay. Keith - you may be referring to the "Aware Electronics" GM model, which is similar. I had one of those too but fried it with RF. It is worth the time to fashion a makeshift Faraday cage for any meter containing this kind of circuitry - if you are using it around high frequency. Jones From NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com Sat Mar 20 17:41:48 2010 From: NewCandleAdmin at ipdiscover.com (Keith Nagel) Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2010 14:41:48 -0700 Subject: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February In-Reply-To: <004101cac852$5e525d10$1af71730$@net> Message-ID: Jones: AHA! You got it! It was called Aware, and with that essential bit of info I found the website. http://www.aw-el.com/ They seem to have raised their prices some, and as always the windows software is sold as an extra. The blackcat products seem competitive. This product pops up in a google search and for a little more coin looks quite nice. http://www.gammascout.com/index.html Probably be useful to have such a thing now that the government is getting behind nuclear power again. K. -----Original Message----- From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Jones Beene Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2010 10:26 AM To: 'New energy for the new world.' Subject: Re: [NewCandle] more aluminum roll experiments for February Horace, > It may be worth $200 to buy from BlackCat Systems directly. http://www.blackcatsystems.com/GM/GeigerCounters.html Consider Shysicey's Auction "Policies" statement! [snip] Yes! that is what I was talking about - risky, but I know of one she sold that did work as claimed, which means nothing statistically. The Russian one is risky too but less so - and it seems to be worth the risk, given the review and the savings. The review seems independent; and the perfect "seller rating" is important but both have good ratings. This rating is the most important thing to look for when dealing on eBay. Keith - you may be referring to the "Aware Electronics" GM model, which is similar. I had one of those too but fried it with RF. It is worth the time to fashion a makeshift Faraday cage for any meter containing this kind of circuitry - if you are using it around high frequency. Jones _______________________________________________ NewCandle mailing list NewCandle at ipdiscover.com http://ipdiscover.com/mailman/listinfo/newcandle_ipdiscover.com From hheffner at mtaonline.net Thu Mar 25 17:31:31 2010 From: hheffner at mtaonline.net (Horace Heffner) Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 13:31:31 -0800 Subject: [NewCandle] Size-Selective Reactivity of Aluminum Cluster Anions with Water In-Reply-To: <778462.89141.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <778462.89141.qm@web65415.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <49E62F59-2BEC-404A-9F73-906647984B46@mtaonline.net> Nick, You may want to communicate with this University of Pennsylvania group to tell them about your anomalous results not only with hydrogen generation, but radiation: http://research.chem.psu.edu/awcgroup/Castleman%20Homepage.html Note articles on Superatoms, Cluster Assemblies, and especially aluminum clusters. This recent Science article shows why you and they might have a common interest: From: http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5913/492 Science 23 January 2009: Vol. 323. no. 5913, pp. 492 - 495 DOI: 10.1126/science.1165884 Prev | Table of Contents | Next REPORTS Complementary Active Sites Cause Size-Selective Reactivity of Aluminum Cluster Anions with Water Patrick J. Roach,1 W. Hunter Woodward,1 A. W. Castleman, Jr.,1* Arthur C. Reber,2 Shiv N. Khanna2 The reactions of metal clusters with small molecules often depend on cluster size. The selectivity of oxygen reactions with aluminum cluster anions can be well described within an electronic shell model; however, not all reactions are subject to the same fundamental constraints. We observed the size selectivity of aluminum cluster anion reactions with water, which can be attributed to the dissociative chemisorption of water at specific surface sites. The reactivity depends on geometric rather than electronic shell structure. Identical arrangements of multiple active sites in Al16?, Al17?, and Al18? result in the production of H2 from water. 1 Departments of Chemistry and Physics, Pennsylvania State University, University Park, PA 16802, USA. 2 Department of Physics, Virginia Commonwealth University, Richmond, VA 23284, USA. * To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: awc at psu.edu Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ From avalonbiker at yahoo.com Sun Mar 28 13:12:59 2010 From: avalonbiker at yahoo.com (Nick Reiter) Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2010 10:12:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewCandle] Size-Selective Reactivity of Aluminum Cluster Anions with Water In-Reply-To: <49E62F59-2BEC-404A-9F73-906647984B46@mtaonline.net> Message-ID: <845977.73625.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hi Horace, Thanks very much for this. I brought it up over the phone with Sam yesterday, and he indicated that he had correspnded with the Castleman group a bit last year, but he as unaware of this particular work. I want to re-grok their work a little more, but yeah, should certaily contact them. Hey, on a related topic, I FINALLY sent a set of foil samples (with some control foil) out yesterday by mail to you. No squiddies... I am going to have to make some more. I apparently tossed the old rolls from the potassium iodide salt run that would have presumably still had some ont he foil. No problem, just a delay - I have plenty of KI to re-do the run. All the best, nr > You may want to communicate with this University of > Pennsylvania group to tell them about your anomalous results > not only with hydrogen generation, but radiation: > > http://research.chem.psu.edu/awcgroup/Castleman%20Homepage.html > > Note articles on Superatoms, Cluster Assemblies, and > especially aluminum clusters. > > This recent Science article shows why you and they might > have a common interest: > > From: > > http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/323/5913/492 > > > > Science 23 January 2009: > Vol. 323. no. 5913, pp. 492 - 495 > DOI: 10.1126/science.1165884 > Prev | Table of Contents | Next > REPORTS > > Complementary Active Sites Cause Size-Selective Reactivity > of Aluminum Cluster Anions with Water > > Patrick J. Roach,1 W. Hunter Woodward,1 A. W. Castleman, > Jr.,1* Arthur C. Reber,2 Shiv N. Khanna2 > > The reactions of metal clusters with small molecules often > depend on cluster size. The selectivity of oxygen reactions > with aluminum cluster anions can be well described within an > electronic shell model; however, not all reactions are > subject to the same fundamental constraints. We observed the > size selectivity of aluminum cluster anion reactions with > water, which can be attributed to the dissociative > chemisorption of water at specific surface sites. The > reactivity depends on geometric rather than electronic shell > structure. Identical arrangements of multiple active sites > in Al16?, Al17?, and Al18? result in the production of > H2 from water. > > 1 Departments of Chemistry and Physics, Pennsylvania State > University, University Park, PA 16802, USA. > 2 Department of Physics, Virginia Commonwealth University, > Richmond, VA 23284, USA. > > * To whom correspondence should be addressed. E-mail: awc at psu.edu