[NewCandle] further adventures of pixie 23

[Keith Nagel]

Hi Nick,

Given that you're starting with a raw ore extract, there could
be some other radioactive substance displaced by the aluminum.
Not sure why radon is suspected, other than that it is a gamma
emitter.

The mechanic of what you are describing all sound pretty
straightforward to me, except for the gamma measurements.
If I understand you, both the open and closed ends are
exposed in solution? The open end will definitely be
a preferential site for displacement.

Perhaps it is one of the daughter products of the U decay
that is being displaced. Maybe Horace could suggest
some relatively stable daughter products that are metals.
Pity you can't pop it under the scope for a closer look...

K.

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[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 8:49 AM
To: New energy for the new world.
Subject: Re: [NewCandle] further adventures of pixie 23


Good morning, Jones and all,

Good notion on the radon.  I wonder if I took a roll, measured near the
turns end, then pumped it out in a bell jar to outgas the piece for say five
minutes, then vent quickly and re-measure, if I would see a difference.

As far as the composition, I have that down pretty much to about .1%, having
taken baseline EDS data.  No substantial Li as I could ever tell.  Al, O,
Mg, Fe, Si in very small amounts of course.

Vielen dank!

n


> From: Jones Beene <jonesb9 at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [NewCandle] further adventures of pixie 23
> To: "'New energy for the new world.'" <newcandle at ipdiscover.com>
> Date: Sunday, November 15, 2009, 5:58 PM
> Nick - One loose end - you really
> need to know the exact alloy composition
> of the foil. Maybe you do know it.
>
> However, this sounds most like radon gas getting trapped in
> the swollen open
> end, if I understand the dynamics correctly; and the foil
> would not be
> involved at all unless it had some lithium content.
>
> Radon is a strong alpha emitter (6 MeV) and the secondary
> gammas would be
> expected to be strong. The half life is from seconds to
> days and therefore
> about one to 100 trillion times more radioactive than the
> Uranium (in terms
> of counts per microgram), so if Radon gas concentrates in
> an area of the
> foil - that would account for the high reading.
>
> J.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
> [mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]
> On Behalf Of Nick Reiter
> Sent: Sunday, November 15, 2009 2:07 PM
> To: New energy for the new world.
> Subject: Re: [NewCandle] further adventures of pixie 23
>
> Hi Keith and all,
>
> Yesterday, I decided to begin pulling down and sequestering
> the different
> components of the pixie bucket system.
>
> I pulled the foil rolls and set them on a draining and
> drying towel.
> Following this, I made a thorough survey of the liquid in
> the bucket from
> all positions, particulary to see if there was indeed U
> residue settling out
> as an oxide at the bottom.
>
> This didn't seem to be the case - there was no difference
> in readings from
> any direction for a given spacing, plastic intervening or
> no.  The liquid in
> the bucket at a couple of cm spacing was a decent isotropic
> 200 to 300cpm.
>
> I allowed the rolls to dry out overnight.  This
> morning, I looked at a few
> (there are six for a pixie bucket).  Now keep in mind
> that the one end of a
> roll is sawed off, and thus the turns are crushed and
> "swaged" over from the
> saw blade.  So effectively, there is an open end and a
> sort-of closed end to
> each roll.
>
> At 1cm spacing from any position at the roll OD side, I saw
> 2000 to 3000cpm.
> At the sawed end, the reading was nearly the same. 
> However, at the "open
> end" where one still sees the (now slightly swollen) turns
> of foil, we get a
> reading of around 10,000cpm.  If one turned on one's
> "gamma vision" it would
> be like a flashlight with a stubby beam, I guess.
>
> I took multiple wraps of Al foil and placed them around the
> mica window of
> the GM tube.  Essentially no attenuation of any
> reading anywhere, until one
> gets to 4 turns or wraps, at which point there may have
> been a very slight
> dropoff - no more than maybe 10%.
>
> Thus I have to say that all of these fun and games are
> gamma or strong Xray.
> Beta component seems negligible.
>
>
> So I am still scratching my head over the initial rise on
> solution
> infiltration, as seen from outside the bucket.
>
> nr
>
> > HI Nick,
> >
> > Things are finally stabilizing here, perhaps this
> winter
> > will find
> > me doing some more serious research in between cooking
> up
> > the next
> > software release.
> >
> > As regards your pixie. It should come as no surprise
> that
> > the
> > rolls are hot. You must be displacing U from the
> solution,
> > as
> > we anticipated. I suspect that is not a stable
> condition,
> > and
> > the amount of U in solution vs U plated is in a
> dynamic
> > relation.
> > If the temperature is changing, the displacement
> reaction
> > will
> > either increase or decrease ( hot or cold respectively
> ).
> > Late
> > evening reading would have occurred over the heat of
> the
> > day,
> > so should be larger than morning reading. If the
> diurnal
> > variation
> > is continuing, draw out a foil roll at each time, and
> see
> > if
> > the roll itself is hotter at the evening point.
> >
> > Also, look at the bottom of the solution tank.
> Displaced U
> > may be collecting
> > there after being shed from the Al foil.
> >
> > K.
>
>
>
>
>      
>
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