[NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update

[Keith Nagel]

Hi Michael, et al.

It's fair to say that most of the readers of this list have an abiding
interest
in your results, positive or negative. Of most value would be your practical
experience with the FOG's and accelerometers; what are the cheapest
and most sensitive tools currently available and what sort of artifacts are
the most problematic?

Look, unless the universe is particularly perverse, there ought to be
gravitomagnetic waves. We are currently stuck without the gravitomagnetic
equivalent of a permeable material (such as iron) as we work with in
electromagnetics. While it's nice to imagine it might pop out
of a theory, in all likelihood the discovery will come first and
the theory later. With the right tools, perhaps we can make some
headway here. We have the advantage that the whole of electromagnetics
is available to us by analogy, by application of that analogy we
ought to be able to experiment our way into gravito-magnetics.

Keith Nagel.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com
[mailto:newcandle-bounces at ipdiscover.com]On Behalf Of Michael Ibison
  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 12:42 PM
  To: John Winterflood
  Cc: New energy for the new world.; Scott Little; George Hathaway
  Subject: Re: [NewCandle] Martin Tajmar update


  Thanks for copying me on this John.

  Yes, unfortunately our website is not up to date. Our interest in the
Tajmar project has indeed been mothballed. If there is sufficient interest
outside of Martin's lab we may try to publish our assessment of his
experiment and results. The decision is largely up to George Hathaway, who
has been leading our efforts.

  - Michael Ibison



  John Winterflood wrote:
    Hi Keith, All,

    Sorry for my lack of involvement, there have been quite a few things I
would have liked to comment on, but I just don't have enough time these
days.

    Keith wrote:

      Still catching up on my xxx.lanl.gov reading. I noticed that
      Martin Tajmar had published something last June; here's
      the abstract.

      http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/0806.2271

      He seems to be recanting on the earlier claim that the superconductor
is the active agent in his gravitomagnetism
      experiments. From the experiments presented in this paper
      he concludes the effect is being caused by the vortex of
      rotating liquid helium created by the rotating ring.

      Unfortunately, Earthtechs website does not seem to update
      with new information about their replication attempt...

      http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/tajmar/

      Anyone know what's going on there?

    Yes I have heard from both Scott and Michael recently very briefly on
this topic.  I am sure there was nothing confidential in our exchange and so
I will pass on the gist of it.  They were very interested and excited about
the experiment at the start but as they delved into it they found the data
inconsistent and unconvincing.  They seem to have mothballed the experiment
until Martin (Tajmar) can provide them with better data that seems worth the
effort of replication.  Michael's dim recollection is that the "Tajmar
effect" apparently diminished by around an order of magnitude with
improvements in equipment - and Martin's "Predictions" have adjusted to
match the reduced signal (again as best Michael can remember).  I have
copied both Scott and Michael in this post so that they may correct me in
case I have misrepresented.

    John






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