[NewCandle] experiments and observations

[Keith Nagel]

Hi Jones + Robin,

Robin writes:
>Pb-208 -> Hg-204 + He4 + 0.518 MeV etc etc

The active area around this transmutation site might
be poisoned by the mercury byproduct amalgamating with
the lead 'fuel'. Unless of course, the mercury is
the catalyst, in which case the battery would chain
react... I suppose batteries have been known to
explode when charged, but with 1/2 to 1 MeV per
reaction I'd expect a crate the size of lake
michigan.

As Jones mentioned, I did run into Robert S. at
an IECEC meeting in San Diego years ago when he was
connected with Mills ( this was Mills first major
press announcement of his tech ). Offhand, I don't
remember much about the conversation, other than being
surprised about the whole shrunken hydrogen thing.
Robert was presenting on the paper you mentioned,
and it was received with great interest by the crowd.

Thinking about it, I remember something else now. I
asked Robert about all the wire in the cell, and
he explained how it was necessary to have a lot
of surface area. The actual experiment was pretty
cumbersome, and didn't scale well at all.
That is to say, the effects diminished with
current density pretty quickly so you would
need a absolutely massive cell for any kind
of commercial water heater. I did call him
later to follow up, but at that point the
two parties had parted ways and there was
not much anyone was going to say at that point.

K.


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Sent: Friday, June 06, 2008 5:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [NewCandle] experiments and observations


--- Hi Robin,

Never considered the possibility that an actual
nuclear reaction could be involved in this, since as
you say lead-Pb is not normally a good candidate for
that - but...

It is possible that something in a high frequency
reverse electrical spike applied to the lead acid
battery, especially when the frequency is resonant
with the large population of hydronium ions could, say
... trigger, or enhance, Millsean shrinkage- is that
where you were going ;-)

When you think about it, the hydronium ion itself,
although never singled out by Mills as the active
modality for shrinkage AFAIK- should be a perfect
catalyst under conditions of strong and reversing HF
electric fields and ion near-fields in a battery.

...which resultant species (especially Hy-) eventually
becomes small enough to approach the Pb nucleus, and
even if it does not act as a virtual neutron, it could
trigger enough instability for an alpha decay??

In the case of the dead battery technique (which BTW I
agree with Bidini and the minority viewpoint that it
could be a bona-fide example of OU, even when you
consider and deduct the "desulfation" effect as part
of the overall equation) ... 

...anyway, a nuclear reaction would add heat and
gammas- presumably we would not notice gammas because
of all the lead... 

...the logical chemical (redox) problem remains- how
does heat from a fast alpha couple into reversing the
current flow, in order to reduce lead oxide. Bottom
line: how can heat from any nuclear reaction get
translated easily and directly into a reduction
reaction, which "simulates" the reversed flow of
electrical current?

One possible pathway? the alpha is ionized ++ but
quickly neutralizes, probably at the expense of
sulfate ions, and that would leave the Hg as a
negative ion which neutralizes more slowly and could
reduce lead oxide, but at the same time, it has
removed one unoxidized lead - so the balance is net
neutral, except that the neutralized sulfate has left
two unbalanced hydronium ions, which are a pretty fair
reduction agent, no? Not to mention would be shrinkage
candidates.

It is all interesting - IF - you buy-into the hydrino
as explicative or else have another theory. First and
foremost, I think you need to scientifically analyze
the electrolyte from old and rejuvenated batteries- in
a top level lab to find and document the putative Hg
anomaly. Has this been done? 

I remember Keith saying that he had talked to Shaubach
years ago at a conference, and was impressed. I have
always wondered about the Thermacore "enigma." How
could these guys and that company turn away from the
hydrino process after the report they filed?

Jones

Jones






> >All of which leads to this far out suggestion: yes
> >there is a mundane partial explanation
> ("desulfation")
> >for the Bedini effect, but is there more to it?... 
> [snip]
> 
> Consider the following:
> 
> Pb-208 -> Hg-204 + He4 + 0.518 MeV
> Pb-207 -> Hg-203 + He4 + 0.391  MeV
> Pb-206 -> Hg-202 + He4 + 1.136 MeV
> 
> In practice Lead is stable, yet the decay to Mercury
> is not energetically
> forbidden. Perhaps under some circumstances it can
> be triggered?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Robin van Spaandonk
> 
> The shrub is a plant.
> 
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