[NewCandle] Back emf ?

[Keith Nagel]

In a two electrode DC system , I don't remember the voltage 
changing sign when the source was removed. His circuit floats
several electrodes, from what I could tell looking at the
circuit diagram in the video clip. Perhaps he's seeing some
stray inductance in the circuit? It sounds like he's switching
the power with a relay, an excellent way to find those strays...

K.

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--- Keith 

Then you would say that the brief negative spike seen
on his scope is from recombination, correct?

This would imply that some of what he thinks is O2 is
probably steam. That should be easy enough to confirm
by collecting the gas in a water displacement
arrangement, and then looking for condensation, which
should be rather pronounced if there is significant
steam.


> Hey Jones,
> 
> Welp, there is a back EMF of sorts on an
> electrolysis cell.
> When you take off the applied voltage, and apply a
> load
> across the cell, the H and O will recombine at the
> electrodes
> and produce a exponentially decaying voltage across
> the load.
> The voltage doesn't reverse, like in an inductor,
> but basically
> you're using the energy stored in the cell as you
> would in
> the inductor.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> K.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Of Jones Beene
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 7:06 AM
> To: New energy for the new world.
> Subject: [NewCandle] Back emf ?
> 
> 
> We have long heard about using so-called "back emf"
> in
> efficient motor design or transformers. 
> 
> AFIK there is no firm proof that it can ever produce
> a
> COP>1 in that situation ... there are just too many
> loses to be overcome -- but a valid question: is
> there
> an imaginable situation where where "charge" can be
> recycled so that it can be gainful? The Bedini
> battery
> thing comes to mind, but there is no real proof of
> gain there (or is there?)
> 
> Anyway - the only reason that *ions* would seem to
> be
> ideal for recycling charge is ... well ... they are
> already charged but 'bound' and in some way this
> seems
> like it should be exploitable- i.e. the recycled
> charge being used to 'unbind'. 
> 
> IOW if the "work" that goes into creating charge
> involves overhead which can be avoided by recycling
> a
> charge before it has been fully neutralized, then
> ionic solutions offer a greater hypothetical path. 
> 
> Can someone help me with the wording here? ... I
> have
> an idea in mind but am having a hard time putting it
> into words. Maybe this little video will help...
> 
> Not even sure if the underlying concept of back emf
> is
> the same thing - when applied to electrolysis, but
> this is provocative....
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoqC2AZadYM
> 
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